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I'm not going to get any fic written am I? What with Wodehouse smut and kerfuffles...yep. That little storm in a teacup about the rapefic just blew up again. Of course I remembered my sage words of wisdom about not posting in a rage. Remembered them, ignored them, starting to literally tremble and feel slightly ill and dashed off a zippy reply and hit send with a vindictive mouse click. It's the good old 'slash is out of character and you know it' row again. I am so bloody sick of this on that group.
I wrote back to him on the group and said,
I skimmed it, for obvious reasons, but femslash doesn't do much for me, nor does n/c, so I'm not sure my reactions are really objective as those two factors coloured my response.
I don't think it's in character. I don't think Faith would have behaved like this at this point in her life and I don't think Dawn would have submitted to it either. You never really made it clear why she did; curiosity, arousal? It squicked me to be honest; not blaming you; you gave adequate warnings and it was my choice to read it, but I didn't find it comfortable reading.
I inspired it? How? Because I write slash? I don't write slash like this. I don't write rapefic.
Jane
He replied (and I answered between the lines so I'll post it all, with me not in italics)
"Jane Davitt" wrote in message
>
>
>> I skimmed it, for obvious reasons, but femslash doesn't do much for me,
>> nor does n/c, so I'm not sure my reactions are really objective as those
>> two factors coloured my response.
Like I "said" in my response to Jilun, to each his (or her) own.
Certainly.
>
>
>> I inspired it? How? Because I write slash? I don't write slash like
>> this. I don't write rapefic.
>
>
>
> That was an afterthought. I added it just before I hit the Send button. I
> really didn't have any of your stuff in mind when I wrote it. Like I said
> in the Authors Notes, I had never done anything like it before and I guess I
> thought it (and the alternate ending) would lighten the mode some.
Lighten up a rape fic by having the victim decide she enjoys it? Umm, yes, sure. Whatever.
>
>
>> It squicked me to be honest;
>
>
>
I don't know what that word means, but it doesn't sound good.
It means revolted, sickened. it's the opposite of a bullet proof kink guaranteed to turn you on.
>
>
>> not blaming you; you
>> gave adequate warnings and it was my choice to read it, but I didn't
>> find it comfortable reading.
>
>
>
It was always meant to be more of a dark fic than a femslash one.
No reason it can't be both.
>
>
>> I don't think Dawn would have
>> submitted to it either. You never really made it clear why she did;
>> curiosity, arousal?
>
>
>
She knows Faith is a Slayer and 100 times stronger than she is. Add to that
> the fact that she could not breathe and you see that she had to give up. On
> the upside she fought for 20 minutes before she did.
>
>
>> I don't think it's in character. I don't think Faith would have behaved
>> like this at this point in her life and
>
>
>
This is the real reason I had to respond. This is a segment from your fic
> "Is That Your Final Answer":
> :: Faith: "See, you killed once and you'd never do it again, would you?
> Hmm?"
> ::
> :: Andrew: "Never," he agreed, the word spilling from his lips, fervent and
> eager.
> ::
> :: Faith: She'd smiled, he remembered, soft, full lips curved and amused. "I
> will. And I'll :: get a kick out of it when I do."
> ::
> This is set post Chosen. Faith would *never * say something like that post
> A 5by5. I thought about commenting on it back when it was posted, but then
> I thought, "it's silly to say something is out of character in a slash fic."
No it isn't. Slash isn't exempt from any rule of good writing that applies to het or gen fics. If you had mentioned that at the time I would have happily discussed it. With particular regard to the fact that Faith was having fun scaring Andrew; not kind, but Faith isn't particularly and if Angel was in danger I believe she'd kill humans to protect him.
And it is. You know as well as anyone that slash, by its very nature, is
> off/out of character. Also in this fic you have Xander shoving his fingers
> up Andrews's ass. You don't get any more out of character than that.
Whoa. Just hold on there. Do I heck as like know that. I don't and it isn't true.
>
Giles, Wes, Spike (especially), and Angel are not gay character, but in all
> of your slash fic they are or become gay. So every slash story you write
> has them doing something completely out of character. That's what slash
> means.
Want the polite answer? That's utter bollocks. The Ethan/Giles and Spike/Angel relationship, to name but two, are rife with sub text and in this recent season of Angel it's become text. And I'm not writing my fic with an eye to pleasing people like you.
As I'm now well and truly angry, I'll also say what I politely refrained from saying yesterday. I'm beyond annoyed that you've linked me to this piece of badly written trash. If you ever post it anywhere else I'd very much prefer that my name not be mentioned as I'm in no way responsible for this badfic.
It's painfully clear that you didn't get it beta read. You should. It's appallingly written, leaving aside such intangibles as characterisations, genre and the the non consensual rape of a minor and concentrating on the basics. You have numerous typos, you switch tenses back and forth and you've got very odd notions about female bodily fluids.
It sucks. Just not in a good way like Giles and Spike and Wes and....
Jane
I wrote back to him on the group and said,
I skimmed it, for obvious reasons, but femslash doesn't do much for me, nor does n/c, so I'm not sure my reactions are really objective as those two factors coloured my response.
I don't think it's in character. I don't think Faith would have behaved like this at this point in her life and I don't think Dawn would have submitted to it either. You never really made it clear why she did; curiosity, arousal? It squicked me to be honest; not blaming you; you gave adequate warnings and it was my choice to read it, but I didn't find it comfortable reading.
I inspired it? How? Because I write slash? I don't write slash like this. I don't write rapefic.
Jane
He replied (and I answered between the lines so I'll post it all, with me not in italics)
"Jane Davitt" wrote in message
>
>
>> I skimmed it, for obvious reasons, but femslash doesn't do much for me,
>> nor does n/c, so I'm not sure my reactions are really objective as those
>> two factors coloured my response.
Like I "said" in my response to Jilun, to each his (or her) own.
Certainly.
>
>
>> I inspired it? How? Because I write slash? I don't write slash like
>> this. I don't write rapefic.
>
>
>
> That was an afterthought. I added it just before I hit the Send button. I
> really didn't have any of your stuff in mind when I wrote it. Like I said
> in the Authors Notes, I had never done anything like it before and I guess I
> thought it (and the alternate ending) would lighten the mode some.
Lighten up a rape fic by having the victim decide she enjoys it? Umm, yes, sure. Whatever.
>
>
>> It squicked me to be honest;
>
>
>
I don't know what that word means, but it doesn't sound good.
It means revolted, sickened. it's the opposite of a bullet proof kink guaranteed to turn you on.
>
>
>> not blaming you; you
>> gave adequate warnings and it was my choice to read it, but I didn't
>> find it comfortable reading.
>
>
>
It was always meant to be more of a dark fic than a femslash one.
No reason it can't be both.
>
>
>> I don't think Dawn would have
>> submitted to it either. You never really made it clear why she did;
>> curiosity, arousal?
>
>
>
She knows Faith is a Slayer and 100 times stronger than she is. Add to that
> the fact that she could not breathe and you see that she had to give up. On
> the upside she fought for 20 minutes before she did.
>
>
>> I don't think it's in character. I don't think Faith would have behaved
>> like this at this point in her life and
>
>
>
This is the real reason I had to respond. This is a segment from your fic
> "Is That Your Final Answer":
> :: Faith: "See, you killed once and you'd never do it again, would you?
> Hmm?"
> ::
> :: Andrew: "Never," he agreed, the word spilling from his lips, fervent and
> eager.
> ::
> :: Faith: She'd smiled, he remembered, soft, full lips curved and amused. "I
> will. And I'll :: get a kick out of it when I do."
> ::
> This is set post Chosen. Faith would *never * say something like that post
> A 5by5. I thought about commenting on it back when it was posted, but then
> I thought, "it's silly to say something is out of character in a slash fic."
No it isn't. Slash isn't exempt from any rule of good writing that applies to het or gen fics. If you had mentioned that at the time I would have happily discussed it. With particular regard to the fact that Faith was having fun scaring Andrew; not kind, but Faith isn't particularly and if Angel was in danger I believe she'd kill humans to protect him.
And it is. You know as well as anyone that slash, by its very nature, is
> off/out of character. Also in this fic you have Xander shoving his fingers
> up Andrews's ass. You don't get any more out of character than that.
Whoa. Just hold on there. Do I heck as like know that. I don't and it isn't true.
>
Giles, Wes, Spike (especially), and Angel are not gay character, but in all
> of your slash fic they are or become gay. So every slash story you write
> has them doing something completely out of character. That's what slash
> means.
Want the polite answer? That's utter bollocks. The Ethan/Giles and Spike/Angel relationship, to name but two, are rife with sub text and in this recent season of Angel it's become text. And I'm not writing my fic with an eye to pleasing people like you.
As I'm now well and truly angry, I'll also say what I politely refrained from saying yesterday. I'm beyond annoyed that you've linked me to this piece of badly written trash. If you ever post it anywhere else I'd very much prefer that my name not be mentioned as I'm in no way responsible for this badfic.
It's painfully clear that you didn't get it beta read. You should. It's appallingly written, leaving aside such intangibles as characterisations, genre and the the non consensual rape of a minor and concentrating on the basics. You have numerous typos, you switch tenses back and forth and you've got very odd notions about female bodily fluids.
It sucks. Just not in a good way like Giles and Spike and Wes and....
Jane